Cire19
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k.
10/18/2004 6:22:59 PM
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thetrippysmurf
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How can you oppress something that has no free will of its own?
[Edited by thetrippysmurf on 10/18/2004 2:30:43 PM. Reason for edit: .]
10/18/2004 7:30:23 PM
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HairyBearChaos
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how does one oppress a parasite?
10/18/2004 8:48:51 PM
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nathansym
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like this?
10/18/2004 8:59:46 PM
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usfcheer77
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omg, that can make someone cry! 
10/18/2004 9:02:08 PM
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diclophis
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In some cultures baby fetus is a delicacy.
10/18/2004 9:24:18 PM
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Lysander
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I'm hungry...
10/18/2004 9:24:28 PM
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HairyBearChaos
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why hallo propaganda
10/18/2004 9:26:41 PM
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Trillian
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Nathan, pretend for a minute you are a young woman. Say 16, 17, or 18. You had sex with your boyfriend. Let's say the condom broke and you got pregnant.
Your parents are looking forward to you going to a great college and doing better than they did, and you have a bright future ahead of you. You cannot disappoint them.
Your boyfriend is terrified, saying he can't handle this and breaks up with you. You are now alone.
You go to Planned Parenthood, maybe you can put the child up for adoption? No, your parents and everyone you know would see you pregnant, then not seeing a child anywhere. Shameful to your whole family.
Maybe this isn't the best logic in the world, but remember you are a scared, lonely, pregnant teenager with your future at stake.
You decide to abort. It seems the only way out.
You get shit from protesters as you go to Planned Parenthood. You come out with people yelling at you like you're a murderer, when in fact all you are is a desperate teen.
So how about, Nathan, you worry about the well-being of the human beings alive on this planet, this girl who will later attempt suicide, instead of a 12-week old fetus that is not aware of its own existance yet?
10/18/2004 10:33:36 PM
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nathansym
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You do realize that I believe abortion is murder and none of what you just said condones murder, right?
Also, suicide is a sin ... punishable by death.
10/19/2004 1:13:27 AM
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thetrippysmurf
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So if a woman has a miscarriage, she should be killed for sins her body committed against the fetus?
10/19/2004 1:24:36 AM
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nathansym
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Please tell me you arent so stupid you can't tell the difference between a miscarraige and an abortion.
10/19/2004 1:37:58 AM
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thetrippysmurf
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Please tell me you aren't so stupid you can't tell the difference between an actual human and what may become human.
10/19/2004 1:48:08 AM
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Trillian
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People blinded by ridiculous ideals taught by Christians gives the religion a bad name.
[Edited by Trillian on 10/18/2004 9:01:17 PM. Reason for edit: .]
10/19/2004 2:00:55 AM
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Trillian
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By the way Nathan, that was a true story. Told to me by my counseler at Lake Aurora Christian Camp.
10/19/2004 2:02:49 AM
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nathansym
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yeah i figured it was true and you were waiting to say that it was
good one michael ... its like you used what i said against me!
but in a completely and utterly wrong way!
10/19/2004 2:17:33 AM
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Seth Angelus
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10/19/2004 3:41:02 AM
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HairyBearChaos
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i've yet to be convinced about why i should consider a fetus an actual baby and a parasite that, if unwanted, i shouldn't have to have.
10/19/2004 4:08:37 AM
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MTECougar2002
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It is sad that there are people so irresponsible that abortion is even an issue. But there always will be, and it's something that will never be under control. The only circumstance in which partial fault does not fall onto the mother in such a case...is rape. Even so, there is no excuse for the destruction of life once it has begun. This has nothing to do with religion which is another fucked up matter all together. This is simply a mere opinion, as is 99% of everything else in life.
10/19/2004 4:37:25 AM
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nathansym
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I agree MTE.
Jess ... because a human feeds off another human, which makes it technically a parasite, it is not a life?
10/19/2004 4:42:23 AM
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HairyBearChaos
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and what if the child has little time to live after being born? why subject a child to that?
what if the mother's predicted to die in childbirth?
for every legislation, there will be an underground opposition to it. if abortion is ruled illegal and can no longer be performed in the u.s., there will always be back-alley abortions, "accidents," and the such.
10/19/2004 4:49:05 AM
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nathansym
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there were back alley abortions before Roe v Wade
and a lot of murders are committed in allies too.
10/19/2004 4:51:16 AM
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HairyBearChaos
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i'm not saying i'm right, but that's how i see it. it's obviously highly subjective and a highly charged subject...
as taken from dictionary.com --
parasite
1. Biology. An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host.
10/19/2004 4:53:12 AM
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nathansym
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Jess ... because a human feeds off another human, which makes it technically a parasite, it is not a life? |
10/19/2004 4:56:32 AM
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HairyBearChaos
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i'm not saying i'm right, but that's how i see it. it's obviously highly subjective and a highly charged subject... |
10/19/2004 5:02:50 AM
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Justferfun
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10/19/2004 5:05:27 AM
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nathansym
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i got that part ... i just dont get why you quoted the definition of parasite ...
10/19/2004 5:05:53 AM
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buhdungadung
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Abortion is needed, but as with everything else, it shouldnt be abused. I have heard stories about girls having abortion upon abortion upon abortion. THAT made me sick.
10/19/2004 5:18:33 AM
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burnsinat0r
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 Tug on my heart strings a little more.
10/19/2004 8:08:16 AM
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AfroWanksta
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as soon as the baby is old enough to crawl, it's old enough to pay you back in manual labor
10/19/2004 8:24:57 AM
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nathansym
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Abortion is not needed.
10/19/2004 1:49:59 PM
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buhdungadung
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you get raped and pregnant and then tell me it is not good to at least have as an option.
Im not saying it is the best thing in the world, but open your mind a little and be empathetic enough to at least understand why some people think it is a necessity.
10/19/2004 3:25:00 PM
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thetrippysmurf
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Abortion is not needed. |
Actually a larger human populace is not needed. We don't need to placed on breeding programs.
Now don't get me wrong. I do not agree to abortion during the second, and especially the third trimester. I feel if you have an abortion by that moment in time, and it is not due to health issues in which the mother could die, then the person is clearly a fool for waiting that long to do the process.
Of course you may shoot back abortion at any time is wrong since it is death. Which in turn, I will counter with "When is new life considered a new life? When the sperm reaches the egg? When it is 2 cells? If 2 cells is considered life, than every time you have masturbated, you had killed off whole civilizations."
In conclusion, late trimester abortions bad, 1st trimester abortions when it it can't even be considered a human being, Okay!
10/19/2004 4:17:58 PM
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nathansym
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If you get raped you should have the child.
Breeding programs?
what are you talking about Miachael?
Not murdering a child is a breeding program?
10/19/2004 4:26:46 PM
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pirateshark9
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my opinion: if i was raped and got pregnant, i would still have the baby, its still a human being from conception. (u can't tell me that picture of the aborted baby is not human)
if i was 15 and got pregnant, and the boy left me, and my parents freaked out, i would still have it, its still a human being.
think about it: what if these situations were your mother-you would not be here right now.
10/19/2004 4:31:21 PM
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nathansym
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and that is what this picture says =]
10/19/2004 4:33:16 PM
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pirateshark9
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go that nathan. just wanted to restate it, cause thats the way i have always felt. and now u have atleast one person that thinks the same way you do.
10/19/2004 4:40:13 PM
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Grandmaster_Z
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we need more abortions
10/19/2004 4:43:59 PM
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burnsinat0r
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If you get raped you should have the child. |
Oh christ...
that's some severe dogma right there.
10/19/2004 4:44:08 PM
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nathansym
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It is the belief that abortion is murder.
So if you think that (abortion is murder) is dogma, then I agree.
Why kill the only 100% without a doubt innocent party.
10/19/2004 4:54:37 PM
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burnsinat0r
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Why suffer for 9 months with a child that only reminds you of being RAPED?
10/19/2004 5:04:23 PM
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TenaciousD
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Just take a hanger and pull it out. Case closed.
10/19/2004 5:22:18 PM
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nathansym
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Because murder is wrong.
10/19/2004 5:53:04 PM
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Trillian
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isn't that above your daily quota of brain action?
10/19/2004 5:56:25 PM
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nathansym
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First off, this is the worst statement someone could make. "Everyone who supports abortion was born". I can make up some more statements. "Everyone who dies was alive at some point" "Everyone who is alive is living" |
wow man ... that's deep
10/19/2004 6:00:33 PM
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Trillian
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Do you realize that the child you could've produced in a masturbatory session could've been a doctor or a lawyer or the next MESSIAH!!!???
10/19/2004 6:05:05 PM
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nathansym
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First, there is no NEXT Messiah.
Second, point?
10/19/2004 6:09:20 PM
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TenaciousD
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Let's say mitch got some girl preg. Do you really want that baby to live life? It could be like 911 x 1000.....91,000.
10/19/2004 6:09:42 PM
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nathansym
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Tenacious made me laugh .... and question my beliefs for a second.
10/19/2004 6:15:08 PM
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Trillian
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I'm just saying where can the line be drawn? You are trying to defend what could be life when every time you masturbate that could potentially produce a child, when one uses a condom that's preventing life.
10/19/2004 6:16:40 PM
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thetrippysmurf
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First, there is no NEXT Messiah. |
Yeah, here is where I just completely ignore Nathan from now on, and wonder why he isn't in front a temple somewhere telling everyone that they are going to hell unless the Embrace Jesus, or infront of a gay bar, saying the same thing, all though even if they embrace Jesus, they are still going to hell.
Although you never did answer my question on what you consider when life begins. I am curious, if the fetus is aborted when it still has gills, is it still considered a human life?
10/19/2004 6:34:52 PM
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pirateshark9
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trillian: that is why some religions, such as catholicism do not believe in using codoms or birth control, b/c they believe that any child that can produced is a gift. (hence being so against abortion)
10/19/2004 7:07:09 PM
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nathansym
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You ignore me because I am not a Jew and I believe Jesus was the Messiah?
Wow the gill argument ... that's such a good and sound argument
When was the last time you saw a human give birth to a fish?
And trillian the line (for me) is drawn when the sperm meets the egg.
But if there is aever a question I err on the side of caution
[Edited by nathansym on 10/19/2004 2:32:51 PM. Reason for edit: .:.]
10/19/2004 7:31:18 PM
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AfroWanksta
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Does the father have any say in the abortion?
10/19/2004 8:05:48 PM
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HairyBearChaos
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who is anyone to say what's "right" and what's "wrong"? all you're doing is putting a value to actions but there are so many values that the action could recieve.
who are you to define deviance and assign what is and what is not deviant?
10/19/2004 8:21:07 PM
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Justferfun
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Then who should define any action as "right" or "wrong"? Who has the right to define murder or rape or robbery as wrong?
10/19/2004 8:26:09 PM
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HairyBearChaos
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oh wait lol
yeah, exactly. who has the right to deem any of these things right or wrong?
[Edited by HairyBearChaos on 10/19/2004 3:30:51 PM. Reason for edit: GODDAMN YOU]
10/19/2004 8:28:42 PM
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thetrippysmurf
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The man with the biggest gun.
10/19/2004 8:29:19 PM
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Justferfun
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So you admit it is murder.
[Edited by Justferfun on 10/19/2004 4:02:50 PM. Reason for edit: <_< >_>]
10/19/2004 9:02:27 PM
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HairyBearChaos
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^ get the fuck outta here.
10/19/2004 9:03:48 PM
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Justferfun
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joo get da fock outta hurr.
10/19/2004 9:05:58 PM
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nathansym
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I can see we are making some great headway.
10/19/2004 9:41:36 PM
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Pyprpunk
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mmm dead babies
10/19/2004 10:11:15 PM
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Pyromonger
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Ppl who drive SUVs are murders, too. Do they go to hell?
10/19/2004 11:22:57 PM
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Cire19
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not that anyone cares...
.. but my penis is hard..
10/20/2004 12:03:36 AM
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nathansym
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too bad you don't have to believe in something for it to exist
10/20/2004 3:12:10 AM
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Sk8aBull
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trillian: that is why some religions, such as catholicism do not believe in using codoms or birth control, b/c they believe that any child that can produced is a gift. (hence being so against abortion |
you know why they say that, right? They "believe" that because back in the day the Catholic church was struggling a bit, and they wanted all their church members to have big families so that not only will the church grow, but so that they can get more money.
And for the most part, a lot of catholic churches are being leniant about birth control these days, because the times have changed.... their doctorine should, too... but then that's a touchy thing to get into so they just become more leniant with certain things...
10/20/2004 5:08:07 AM
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Unmentionables
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too bad you don't have to believe in something for it to exist |
So just because you dont believe in the spaghetti monster, it still exists
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Because murder is wrong. |
This is the biggest point of contention for me when it comes to fanatical christian's arguing abortion on this point. what about an eye for an eye. Most of the time they not only believe in capital punishment but its made pretty clear in the the bible that its not only condoned, but it expected even. What ever happened to murder is wrong?
As far as your picture is concerned, it states at the bottom that it is taken from an abortion that is nearly into the 3rd trimester. Using shock value to convey your point only cheapens the argument. While I believe it is a womens choice, there are also limitations that should be followed.
2/21/2007 7:05:28 PM
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chase
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when the romans had unwanted babies they would have them and stack them on a pile away from the city. That way wolves and other animals could get them and it was no concern of anyone in the city. Sall culture
2/21/2007 9:53:53 PM
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nozflubber
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This is an interesting developement for the initial picture when you consider that children - and arguably fetuses - are slaves. Isn't economics awesome?
2/21/2007 10:17:38 PM
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TrackStar
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slaves are property
you can do whatever you want with your property.
Game over!
FINISH HIM!!
2/22/2007 2:37:14 AM
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Sandman
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Danny, you do some stupid things sometimes.
2/22/2007 2:55:27 AM
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Sandman
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Danny, you do some stupid things sometimes.
2/22/2007 2:55:28 AM
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CallMeEleanor
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Abortion arguments are the worst.
Seriously.
Worst thread evar.
2/22/2007 4:32:56 AM
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Lucky_Starz211
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The lil dead baby fetus makes me want to cry
2/22/2007 7:48:22 PM
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EmptyApocalypse
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Makes me hungry.
2/22/2007 7:59:46 PM
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VersaTaur04
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I understand where you're coming from Gina, but I do miss threads like this... where people actually had something to say.
7/23/2007 5:43:41 AM
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volcomdiablo
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These are just meaningless rants displaying opposite sides of a neverending debate on ethos and religion. But I do miss posts where people post pictures of babies that look like fried chicken.
7/27/2007 2:12:33 PM
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shchmue
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now who wants to do some sex
7/27/2007 5:17:20 PM
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karalcamo
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No condamn [sic] either.
7/27/2007 6:40:13 PM
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MattyBoy
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They can say a lot more, but that's all you will hear^
Perspective. It's a bitch.
7/28/2007 6:54:39 AM
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shchmue
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not all babies who were aborted would have been against abortion, dumbshit
[Edited by shchmue on 7/28/2007 7:16:41 AM. Reason for edit: dumbshit = anyone who venerates an illogical platitude]
7/28/2007 7:14:31 AM
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shchmue
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^ way to puss out every time i curse. christ.
it's a fact that not every aborted baby WOULD have been against abortion. for further perspective on worthwhile human function, think along the lines of "while i do not like what you say, i will defend to the death your right to say it"
certainly we're all glad we weren't aborted, but in the long run, what does it matter whether certain people exist or don't exist, live or die? the idea that every life is sacred is primitive. sacrifices must be made for the greater good. surely you don't believe every song ever created should see the light of day.
also, i know that i have a brother who's 10 years older running around somewhere, but nothing more. thanks to adoption, i had a weird belief-challenging situation (one of many lol) to deal with when i found out in high school. i'm sure he has some valuable opinions on abortion...
[Edited by shchmue on 7/28/2007 9:15:47 AM. Reason for edit: oh, and no, you're a dumbshit because you subscribe to dogma vocally and all but expect the forum to guide you through your own intellectual development]
7/28/2007 9:14:43 AM
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MattyBoy
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probably one that should be aborted?^^
7/28/2007 9:25:00 AM
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SuperKpill
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to be okay with, and actually desire, the death(yes it's a death, plz prove me otherwise) of your own flesh and blood(albeit, not much flesh nor blood) just to make yourown life easier is just plain selfish and just beyond my realm of understanding. |
It's really not that hard to understand.
7/28/2007 5:37:27 PM
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shchmue
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And can you plzzz give me one other example of me complaining about your cursing?? if it's every time or even most of the time, you gotta be able to find me one. |
you call me juvenile every time i do it. i'm sorry stupidity pisses me off so :[
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And can you tell me what you're "sacrificing" when you make an abortion? Abortion is the easy way out. The easy way to avoid responsibility. |
are you trying to imply that everyone is capable of meeting every responsibility every time? some people obviously do not have the resources to raise a child without sacrificing school, work, etc. you think just because a condom breaks two people should have to put their entire lives on hold? that, i feel, is a primitive idea.
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soooooooooooo your belief is that since he wasn't raised by his biological parents that he would have rather not even been given the chance to live???? shchmue, it is late, I see that(5 am on the dot as I type this) but c'mon man, that is just not logical thinking. And you can't use my history of dumb statements to disregard this as useless just because you are an elitist(yes, you are). |
no, i was saying that it created an awkward situation for me and obviously for my mom's family at the time. i don't know where you got your idea there from. it takes just the right type of provocation to make me elitist, and it's fun on forums, so why not? 0:] you're not an idiot, you're just vocal about your half-formed moral ideas and it's fun to pick at their weaknesses.
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what dogma specifically? |
christian :[
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sooooooo because his parents made the choice to screw and then they happened to conceieve, and having a child just isnt the most convenient thing at the time, the baby itself would be FOR ITS OWN FUCKING ABORTION???????? good God matt!!!! I thought you were intelligent!!!!! no, you still are. but good god.... |
i guess you've never met anyone with real convictions
7/28/2007 6:41:00 PM
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SuperKpill
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My point is, regardless if the cause and effect are negative or positive(or neither), every decision comes with a consequence. Sex(whether a condom breaks or not), as wonderful as it is, has the consequence of possibly creating human life. So to bypass the consequence, and therefore end a human's life, for one's own personal benefit, is truly barbaric and "primitive". |
But there is a grey area there when you talk about ending a human's life because it depends on when you think life begins. It's primitive to you, but a lot of people don't see it as ending a human life, but rather preventing one from ever starting.
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not hard for you to understand or me? Because I dont remember asking if you could understand it. |
I meant that it shouldn't be hard for you to understand.
7/28/2007 8:22:09 PM
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SuperKpill
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You basically said you don't understand how people can be so selfish as to get abortions, which is murder, just to make their lives easier. I think people do it because they don't view abortion as murder. So maybe you don't understand how they can see it as anything but murder. Well murder is ending a life right? It really depends on when you think life begins, and many people think that life doesn't begin until some point after conception, whether it be in the third trimester or after birth. Does that make sense?
7/29/2007 8:48:51 AM
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MattyBoy
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probably one that should be aborted?^^
was LADEN with sarcasm dude. Lol, sorry should have said /sarcasm. Oh well.
7/29/2007 6:11:32 PM
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AfroWanksta
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^ how do you feel about pregnancies resulting from rape?
7/29/2007 10:28:26 PM
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volcomdiablo
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Or it's gotta be at how much more philosophical and intelligent you are than me. yeah, that's gotta be it. |
Schmue > Dannyb
7/29/2007 11:51:15 PM
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SuperKpill
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Some women don't want to go through the hassle of being pregnant. Should they not be allowed to have an abortion just because ^you think it's wrong?
7/30/2007 4:43:08 AM
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SuperKpill
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I never said you're logic doesn't make sense. You made some good points. And I know you're not the only pro-life advocate, but it just seems kind of wrong to make abortion illegal just because some people think it's wrong. People can generally agree on whether something is right or wrong, but with an issue like this where people are divided and it isn't clear whether it's right or wrong, it seems unfair to make it illegal.
7/30/2007 5:30:22 AM
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SuperKpill
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Oh okay. Well then I agree with you.
7/30/2007 5:49:19 AM
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volcomdiablo
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I would get an abortion just to prevent my kid from living with me while he's still in college.
7/30/2007 1:52:51 PM
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ssloves
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also, i know that i have a brother who's 10 years older running around somewhere, but nothing more. thanks to adoption, i had a weird belief-challenging situation (one of many lol) to deal with when i found out in high school. i'm sure he has some valuable opinions on abortion...
soooooooooooo your belief is that since he wasn't raised by his biological parents that he would have rather not even been given the chance to live???? shchmue, it is late, I see that(5 am on the dot as I type this) but c'mon man, that is just not logical thinking. And you can't use my history of dumb statements to disregard this as useless just because you are an elitist(yes, you are). |
There are many people who have been adopted who are pro-choice. Possibly would even have an abortion themselves, even though they were saved.
[Edited by ssloves on 7/31/2007 1:36:37 AM. Reason for edit: .]
7/30/2007 7:46:39 PM
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ssloves
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Oh but being raised by your biological parents has nothing to do with it. Especially if the child is adopted as soon as he/she is born, and never met the birth parents.
7/30/2007 7:47:39 PM
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volcomdiablo
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^ clever. why dont you kill your wife also that way she doesnt have to live with you? |
My wife and I want to have an abortion, together.
Just cause we always wanted to kill someone together. How romantic!
[Edited by volcomdiablo on 7/30/2007 9:30:14 PM. Reason for edit: Quotage addage]
7/30/2007 8:51:50 PM
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Grandmaster_Z
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Rape is an awful, heinous(sp?) crime but why kill something when you can have it and put it for adoption? |
fucking stupid. Being remined every day for 9 months that you were RAPED? fuck it, i'm not even going to keep going. if you don't think a woman should get an abortion after being raped, you should die.
7/30/2007 9:13:03 PM
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HairyBearChaos
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this thread motherfuckin' rules
7/30/2007 9:30:45 PM
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volcomdiablo
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http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN3043246320070730
My arguement for abortion.
7/30/2007 9:45:41 PM
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SuperKpill
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fucking stupid. Being remined every day for 9 months that you were RAPED? fuck it, i'm not even going to keep going. if you don't think a woman should get an abortion after being raped, you should die. |
Yeah, it would suck to be reminded of it for nine months. Some women couldn't handle it.
7/30/2007 10:20:04 PM
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There are many people who have been adopted who are pro-choice. Possibly would even have the abortion themselves, even though they were saved.
I never said that adopted people are pro-life. In fact, I said the complete opposite. Please read clearly before making a post. And there are exception to everything, in every situation. So if you find me one, or even ten people that claim they would've rather been aborted than let to live, that wouldn't prove your claim. And if they reeeeally thought that no life is better than life, have they ever heard of suicide?
7/30/2007 8:15:28 PM |
Maybe i don't really understand what you are saying. My point is that just because someone is adopted does not mean that are anti abortion. And I am not saying that the person who was adopted would have rather been aborted, duh. I am saying that if she were to have a widlocked child or become pregnant through rape, that she would not be against abortion solely based on the fact that she was adopted instead of aborted.
I don't really know how else to explain it.. I guess I could say that just because one was not aborted does not automatically make that same one against abortion.
7/31/2007 1:34:38 AM
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And also there are a lot of psychological issues that play into adoption. I am all for adoption - but I think there needs strict guidelines (as there may or may not be) on some of the potential parents to make sure they are ready to deal with what the child needs, psychologically. And I also think the child should be told when he/she is young that he/she is adopted, and be made fully comfortable with the fact.
There are many couples out there who really want to create healthy loving families but cannot for one reason or another - why not turn a negative into a positive? Adoption creates that opportunity.
/opinion.
[Edited by ssloves on 7/31/2007 1:41:42 AM. Reason for edit: .]
7/31/2007 1:38:10 AM
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i read an article from a few dr's about abortion protestors who actually got abortions at the clinics they protested then went right back to protesting the next day
7/31/2007 5:37:23 AM
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